Curse

Rushin Roulette · Dec 23, 2010, 11:10 AM // 11:10

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

I doubt he'll be added, the HoM calculator is kinda completed for that monument, unless they just want to make it easier.

Ouch. Someone has not been reading the forums much

. It has already been confirmed that he will "someday" be added to the HoM but they are still working on the statue (and deciding on which or if any Hero armor is needed) and how to update the HoM Calculator.

Lasai · Dec 23, 2010, 12:30 PM // 12:30

Why would we need a statue of this over rated moron now that he is a permanent fixture in my HOM.

Every day I hate him more.

I have every other hero, my fellowship is full, 30 statues.. and I will NEVER add this nonentity to it.

The only appropriate hero armor for him anyway would be an apron with the logo "Yes Dear" on it.

Tom Swift · Dec 23, 2010, 03:14 PM // 15:14

I doubt they want to listen to people complain if they raise the point system over 50 or take away a point because K. brings the total number of companion statues to 31.

I sort of suspect that what they will do is continue to give you 8 companion points at 30 statues and K. will mean that there will be one spare (rather like the extra titles you don't have to get for max points or the fact you don't have to get every single oppressor/tormented weapons for max)

dancing gnome · Dec 23, 2010, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by Tom Swift

I doubt they want to listen to people complain if they raise the point system over 50 or take away a point because K. brings the total number of companion statues to 31.

I sort of suspect that what they will do is continue to give you 8 companion points at 30 statues and K. will mean that there will be one spare (rather like the extra titles you don't have to get for max points or the fact you don't have to get every single oppressor/tormented weapons for max)

The second paragraph is the most logical outcome. Currently the the fellowship monument is the only one that doesn't have more points than what's required to max (every other monument has a bunch of extra points).

A11Eur0 · Dec 24, 2010, 01:39 AM // 01:39

Too lazy to get Razah and an armor for him? Here's Keiran. No thanks.

FoxBat · Dec 24, 2010, 07:06 AM // 07:06

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Too lazy to get Razah and an armor for him? Here's Keiran. No thanks.

Keiran takes a *ton* more effort to get than Razah + Armor.

A11Eur0 · Dec 24, 2010, 09:59 AM // 09:59

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

Keiran takes a *ton* more effort to get than Razah + Armor.

not if you're just following quest lines. Granted, if you're going to be able to max out the monument you already have to have beaten NF to get your three alt heroes...eh, I stand corrected. Carry on.

Daesu · Dec 25, 2010, 09:17 AM // 09:17

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Originally Posted by Lasai

The only appropriate hero armor for him anyway would be an apron with the logo "Yes Dear" on it.

That is because that storyline is written by a woman, I am sure of that.

Lest121 · Dec 25, 2010, 11:52 AM // 11:52

So i completed this out of boredom got my hero who will never be used....

A11Eur0 · Dec 25, 2010, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Lest121

So i completed this out of boredom got my hero who will never be used....

Too busy with necros and rits, then?

Three necs, two rits, mesmer and monk I assume will be your party when 7-heroes goes live. Oh well, he'll be used by others. so sorry you wasted your precious game time.

Lest121 · Dec 26, 2010, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Too busy with necros and rits, then?

Three necs, two rits, mesmer and monk I assume will be your party when 7-heroes goes live. Oh well, he'll be used by others. so sorry you wasted your precious game time.

I stop playing this game for 2+ years, came back in September and got bored in the beginning of December, gonna take another long break, I got him out of pure boredom, this is why he will never be played, but whatever off to play some Runes of Magic.

PS:Anet hurry the F up with GW2, my Hall is at 47/50 won't grind for 50/50.

Xiaquin · Dec 26, 2010, 02:18 AM // 02:18

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Originally Posted by Lest121

I stop playing this game for 2+ years, came back in September and got bored in the beginning of December, gonna take another long break, I got him out of pure boredom, this is why he will never be played, but whatever off to play some Runes of Magic.

PS:Anet hurry the F up with GW2, my Hall is at 47/50 won't grind for 50/50.

Maybe I should give you the "Santa's Coal" bubblegum I got in my stocking. Many people like the new hero and far more are very happy with the content we've been given for free, and that includes myself. Maybe you should skip GW2 if this is your attitude.

Daesu · Dec 26, 2010, 04:20 AM // 04:20

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Too busy with necros and rits, then?

Three necs, two rits, mesmer and monk I assume will be your party when 7-heroes goes live. Oh well, he'll be used by others. so sorry you wasted your precious game time.

It is not his fault that the game AI simply can't play melee and paragon heroes properly. Melee heroes can't decide where they want to run in AoE and paragon heroes can't detect if their line-of-sight is blocked by an obstacle and to go around.

Sure a new rit hero would be more useful, but at least a paragon hero is not as useless as an assassin hero.

FoxBat · Dec 26, 2010, 07:06 AM // 07:06

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Originally Posted by Daesu

paragon heroes can't detect if their line-of-sight is blocked by an obstacle and to go around.

Sure a new rit hero would be more useful.

This is a very ironic complaint to bring up versus ritualists. I do mind edges when running spirit spam heroes and flag them sometimes for the same issue. It's less of a problem even for paras since you don't necessarily have to flag them before the spirits are summoned. Either way in most zones it just isn't an issue very often and easily fixed when it is.

Aside from this and their current (and unwanted) penchant for recasting aggressive unless you micro, paras do not have overwhelming AI problems. They follow your targets exactly and the class is largely spamming shouts on recharge. The bottom line is the single-target spear damage output, which you also can't buff with SoH, is not that impressive, so their viability is largely reduced to their shouts.

A11Eur0 · Dec 26, 2010, 08:00 AM // 08:00

Well I use Keiran as a ranger, with shouts. I don't use him as a spear para. I guess I'm the smart one.

Daesu · Dec 26, 2010, 08:29 AM // 08:29

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

This is a very ironic complaint to bring up versus ritualists. I do mind edges when running spirit spam heroes and flag them sometimes for the same issue. It's less of a problem even for paras since you don't necessarily have to flag them before the spirits are summoned. Either way in most zones it just isn't an issue very often and easily fixed when it is.

Aside from this and their current (and unwanted) penchant for recasting aggressive unless you micro, paras do not have overwhelming AI problems. They follow your targets exactly and the class is largely spamming shouts on recharge. The bottom line is the single-target spear damage output, which you also can't buff with SoH, is not that impressive, so their viability is largely reduced to their shouts.

So it is a combination of the flawed AI and current weak spear DPS. As for shouts, you can already cover most of the useful shouts in command and motivation with the 2 paragons.

Maybe someone would find a good use for a 3-paragons team when we get the 7-heroes update, but right now I would rather have a MM or spirit spammer than an extra paragon in my team.

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Well I use Keiran as a ranger, with shouts. I don't use him as a spear para. I guess I'm the smart one.

Except bow damage is quite underwhemling also and the AI auto attacks way too much instead of using skills.

A11Eur0 · Dec 26, 2010, 08:38 AM // 08:38

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Originally Posted by Daesu

So it is a combination of the flawed AI and current weak spear DPS. As for shouts, you can already cover most of the useful shouts in command and motivation with the 2 paragons.

Maybe someone would find a good use for a 3-paragons team when we get the 7-heroes update, but right now I would rather have a MM or spirit spammer than an extra paragon in my team.

Except bow damage is quite underwhemling also and the AI auto attacks way too much instead of using skills.

Volley with buffs says hi. He can get more adrenaline than a spear para with soldier's fury to keep up adrenal shouts, which is all he's got. He gets energy from those shouts to fuel his attacks. He does it just fine. Try it some time.

Daesu · Dec 26, 2010, 08:51 AM // 08:51

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Volley with buffs says hi. He can get more adrenaline than a spear para with soldier's fury to keep up adrenal shouts, which is all he's got. He gets energy from those shouts to fuel his attacks. He does it just fine. Try it some time.

Like I have said, with the current 3-heroes limitation, replacing him as the 3rd paragon over my MM or spirit spammer doesn't make sense. A MM or spirit spammer (which happens to bring the level 14 splinter weapon buff for the other 2 paragons) would EASILY be more useful than a third paragon.

Maybe in the future someone would find a use for him as the third paragon in a 7-heroes team, but now he is useless.

yitjuan · Dec 26, 2010, 09:16 AM // 09:16

I'm tempted to make an 8 player Spear .

ER Prot Monk , using Spirit of the Forgotten
Spirit Strength Rit
Pack Hunter
3 man Racway
JQ Mo/P with ROJ and spears

Wrath of m0o · Dec 26, 2010, 09:31 AM // 09:31

I'm just happy to have him on the 3 characters i've unlocked him on, love him to death. Looks forward to seeing his grandchildren in GW2, wonders who's eyes theyll have.
Still having hard time with 8 man paraway, but it adds a new twist and a new challenge. Again TY for Keiran, im not stopping untill i have him 11 times <3.